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Status Future consideration
Created by Guest
Created on Jan 17, 2023

Separate vertical alignment model from horizonal geometry

One of my biggest pain points about ORD is if the horizontal geometry is dropped or broken, the vertical is consequently lost as well. This creates significant rework from a design and plan production standpoint (connected named boundaries). One way to avoid is to export the geometry to an XML and then reimport but I think it should be more simple than that. In the GEOPAK days, chains and profiles were stored independent of each other in the GPK. When a chain was redefined in COGO the profile assigned to that chain would auto-refresh.

Within ORD, Table Editor and Complex Redefine (mixed results) tools work well for the most part to update horizontal geometry without dropping the complex status. However, I find the existing workflow sometimes cumbersome to make wholesale changes to an alignment while trying to retaining the complex element and not lose the profile at the same time. This precludes the ability for a user to follow the “Store Graphics” workflow many engineers are used to and prefer (myself included) for creating alignments. Has it ever been considered to find a way to save vertical geometry in the .dgn file itself and enable the ability to reassign/relink it to a new alignment? I imagine this would occur within the Project Explorer menu.

Civil Product Used OpenSite Designer, OpenRoads Designer, OpenRail Designer
  • Guest
    Jul 5, 2023

    This could also help with referencing special profiles from other disciplines to our profile view.

  • Guest
    Jan 19, 2023

    Have the tried the "Geometry Builder Edit" . You can edit/add/ remove curves and tangents and the vertical alignment holds.


Have the alignment and profiles referenced separately from a file

There are issues with having an alignment and profile attached to a specific file. In one instance, we lost a point control in our model that was referencing a profile in the alignment file and it was only noticed through QC. This will create dan...
about 1 month ago in Geometry / OpenRail Designer / OpenRoads Designer / OpenSite Designer 1 Future consideration